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Entry no.: 1048

6 Apr 2010, 12:30 PM

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Comments: 3

Zeitgeist "Well, it’s their fault" — it always is

“Look at those dead bastards,” one pilot says. “Nice,” the other responds.


A short time later a van arrives to pick up the wounded and the pilots open fire on it, wounding two children inside. “Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle,” one pilot says.

—Conversation between American helicopter pilots during a Baghdad attack that killed 12, among them the Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22, and the driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40, as reported by The New York Times.

Still thinking that The Hurt Locker is not a one-sided political piece of shitty propaganda, are you.


Reply no.: 1

6 Apr 2010, 4:22 PM


I still don't quite know what to think of that video. These are people in a war zone, I don't think we can judge them by normal standards.

If killing people is your every day task, you probably wouldn't be able to do it if you wouldn't totally detach yourself from reality and see it all like a giant video game.

We can theorize, but we'll never really know how it's like so I'm still doubtful of us trying to judge how they should talk or feel about killing people, and how they should react to when they make mistakes.

Reply no.: 2

6 Apr 2010, 6:15 PM


Vivi, I think your point has a lot of common sense—the corollary being that we don't know what's like being in their shoes. I totally agree, and also I hope I'll never find out.

On the other hand, I think that in a war usually both parties comprise some seriously fucked up men (killing people is their every day task) playing by some very "flexible" rules (“Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle”) and a good (read: responsible) war movie should pay attention to the grays between the they are bad, we are good ends of the spectrum. Who where the good guys in the case above? Who where the bad ones? I think war is abominable especially because of those grays.

Reply no.: 3

9 Apr 2010, 4:52 AM


I wasn't sure what your post was trying to say. :-)

If you were mostly towards the movie, I vaguely agree with your statement - I personally thought it was a pretty good movie, much more balanced than other movies on the subject, showing some fucked up people and fucked up situations.

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